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General Category => Software and games => Topic started by: odnorf on June 12, 2003, 10:11:28 AM
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I don't know if you have played all lucasarts adventure games, but now is the time to do so. There is a tool called scummvm which is an opensource (GPL) interprenter for all the scumm games (and 3 non-scumm games - Simon the Sorcerer 1 & 2, beneath a steel sky) at www.scummvm.org. With it I played for the first time the loom cd version which has excellent speech! :) I have to add that scummvm can run in almost any OS you can think (even on palms). So you can play the first three monkeys (the fourth is not a scummvm game but an GrimE game) in your beos for example.. ;D
Oh... I forget... one week ago I bought the new lucasarts entertainment pack, and I am playing Sam 'n Max with speech for the first time and it's great (now I have "The dig" and "Full throttle" in two original packs!)
PS. There are interprenters for Sierra's old AGI and SCI games... If someone is interested into those, just ask and I'll give you the links.
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I don't know if you have played all lucasarts adventure games, but now is the time to do so.
Hehe, ScummVM is a great tool for porting the games, that's right. And it's even good for playing them on current PCs - I could not play my good old DOTT CD anymore and for some reasons I had problems playing it with VDMSound etc. ! But ScummVM did it. Did you notice these nice "smoothing" effects you can adjust ? (Anyway I turned them off - I want the original pixels! ;) !)
Hm, I'm not sure about the newer Lucasart/Lucasgames adventures (there was some new Indy game, eh ? Don't know if it's an adventure though!), but I guess I played all classic adventures up to MI4. Oh, but I did not finish Loom as far as I remember...
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But ScummVM did it. Did you notice these nice "smoothing" effects you can adjust ? (Anyway I turned them off - I want the original pixels! !)
Well... the original 320x240 (or 320x200 for very old scumm v1 games) looks really weird on my 19inch monitor..... Did you know that those filters are from the mame project? That's the good with opesource projects... it's legal to use the code someone else has written.
Hm, I'm not sure about the newer Lucasart/Lucasgames adventures (there was some new Indy game, eh ? Don't know if it's an adventure though!), but I guess I played all classic adventures up to MI4. Oh, but I did not finish Loom as far as I remember...
The last 2 Indy games are action games (like Tomb Raider). You should really play Loom to the end... it's a fantastic game! Especially the cd version which has 256 color graphics and full-speech.
For anyone that don't know, here is a list with all lucasarts games :
Maniac mansion
Zak McKracken and the Alien MindBenders
Loom
Monkey Island 1,2,3,4
Indiana Jones 3,4
Day of the Tentacle
Sam n' Max
The dig
Full Throttle
Grim Fandango
I suggest to anyone that haven't played those games to try them.... And we are waiting for Full Throttle 2 and Sam n' Max 2. Both games are going to have some action sequences but I hope/wish they won't be too much (Full Throttle had a few action sequences too, and it didn't bother me since the game is fantastic.... but really easy...).
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The last 2 Indy games are action games (like Tomb Raider). You should really play Loom to the end... it's a fantastic game! Especially the cd version which has 256 color graphics and full-speech.
Full speech ? Well - I played Loom on my good old Amiga, I'm not even sure, maybe I HAVE Loom, I bought a lucasgames classics collection, too - but that was before MI3... but anyway Loom could be in there. Actually I'm quite sure I bought it and never opened the pack...
Oh, and I didn't finish Grim Fandango yet, a friend is currently playing it and I didn't have the time to play it yet. Did you play it ? It already used that new MI4 engine, didn't it ? I didn't like it too much, but I guess it's not as bad as most people said when you get used to the controls.
I almost forgot about Indy 3... gee... I'm searching for this pack now! :)
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Full speech ? Well - I played Loom on my good old Amiga, I'm not even sure, maybe I HAVE Loom, I bought a lucasgames classics collection, too - but that was before MI3... but anyway Loom could be in there. Actually I'm quite sure I bought it and never opened the pack...
Loom cd version is VERY rare. It was published by Mindscape (which had the rights) which doesn't exist now. So nobody has the rights to publish the loom cd version :( and even if someone wanted to buy the rights... there is no company to buy them from!!! :( That's why it's the only game that you can't buy from www.lucasarts.com.... But I really suggest you to try to find it... I have seen it a few times in ebay and other similar sites.
(If you have the original floppy disk version you can update it to the cd version with a patch that you can be downloaded from www.the-underdogs.org.... And it's not really illegal because nobody has the rights to this game... Even Lucasarts let them provide the update. You can also find there the whole story, which is very interesting).
Oh... and I keep all the adventures I have in my library. I'm really proud for them...
Oh, and I didn't finish Grim Fandango yet, a friend is currently playing it and I didn't have the time to play it yet. Did you play it ? It already used that new MI4 engine, didn't it ? I didn't like it too much, but I guess it's not as bad as most people said when you get used to the controls.
Grim Fandango is IMHO the best adventure of the last 6 years... I am one of the few that really likes the GrimE Engine (it was first used in Grim Fandango, from which the engine got it's name ...) and LOVES the keyboard control! I think is much better than all the scumm interfaces...
I almost forgot about Indy 3... gee... I'm searching for this pack now!
Indy 3 has two versions too. One with 16 colors and one with 256 colors... The cd version even have the audio music in audio tracks....
I'll make a list of all the different versions of lucasfilm/lucasarts adventures when I get home (that is tomorrow) if anyone is interested.
EDIT: I changed the link to www.the-underdogs.org... It was wrong before... I am sorry :( It should work now!
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For anyone that don't know, here is a list with all lucasarts games :
Is this list really complete? That would mean I've played them all except the first two. Cool 8)
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For anyone that don't know, here is a list with all lucasarts games :
Is this list really complete? That would mean I've played them all except the first two. Cool 8)
Yes, it's a complete list with ALL lucasarts adventure games (without counting different version of the games, like 16colors, 256 colors, floppy disk versions, cd versions... etc).
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Ok... as I promised here it is a list with all Lucasarts adventures and their different variations:
--Labyrinth -c64 & apple II version
--Maniac Mansion - original version
--Maniac Mansion - enhanced version (same resolution, bad better colored graphics)
--Mania Mansion - C64 (it has the same graphics as the original pc version)
--Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders - original version
--Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders - enhanced (the same as with maniac mansion enhanced)
--Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders - C64 (same graphics as the original pc version)
--Zak McKracken and the Alien Mindbenders - FM TOWNS version (it's a version for a japanese computer that has much better 256colors graphics - instead of 16colors- that has never been published for the pc, but if you find it you can play it with scummvm)
--Loom - EGA floppy disk version
--Loom - VGA (256colors) CD version with full speech
--Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - EGA floppy disk version
--Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - VGA floppy disk version
--Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - FM TOWNS (it's the same as the VGA pc version but it has the music in much better quality in audio tracks on the cd)
--Indiana Jones and the fate of Atlantis - VGA floppy disk version
--Indiana Jones and the fate of Atlantis - VGA CD version with full-speech
--The Secret of Monkey Island - EGA floppy disk version
--The Secret of Monkey Island - VGA floppy disk version
--The Secret of Monkey Island - VGA CD version (it has the music in audio tracks)
--Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge - floppy disk version
--Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge - CD version (It's EXACT the same files as the floppy version with no audio tracks :) )
--Day of the Tentacle - floppy disk version
--Day of the Tentacle - CD version (the same graphics but with full speech)
--Sam 'n Max hit the road - floppy version
--Sam 'n Max hit the road - CD version (the same graphics but with full speech)
--Full Thottle
--The Dig
--The curse of Monkey Island
--Grim Fandango
--Escape from Monkey Island
*1* Monkey 1 & 2 cd version were published together on a cd names "Monkey Island Madness", that's why only the first one has audio tracks.
*2* Ofcourse there are versions of other languages (like german or spanish) but I don't count them
*3* The old adventures were publushed also for the amiga and apple computers but I don't count them because they are exactly the same as the pc or the commodore64 (c64) versions. (The apple versions had a filter for the graphics, like scummvm has, but the data files were the same)
*4* There are some more versions of the old adventures but the only difference is the cracked interprenter because some publishers didn't want to print the manuals :( (which sucks imo)
*5* The last "Lucasarts Entertainment Pack" has modified interprenters with filters like those in scummvm but the gamefiles are exactly the same. Those modified interprenters are for "The Dig" and "Sam 'n max hit the road".
Ok... that's it... If there are versions that I don't know or there are errors in this list and/or the explanations please let me know :)
EDIT: I have added the pre-scumm adventure of 1986 "Labyrinth" to the list. I would like to thank KA-su-MA-kun for sharing this information with us. :) I have also made some small corrections/additions to the explanations.
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*1* Monkey 1 & 2 cd version were published together on a cd names "Monkey Island Madness", that's why only the first one has audio tracks.
I have a MI1+MI2 CD compilation, but it's not called "Monkey Island Madness", it was published by Virgin in a "White Label" edition. Probably some budget reedition.
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I have a MI1+MI2 CD compilation, but it's not called "Monkey Island Madness", it was published by Virgin in a "White Label" edition. Probably some budget reedition.
Does MI1 have audio tracks?
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Ok... as I promised here it is a list with all Lucasarts adventures and their different variations:
Check this out, http://casaaddams.cjb.net/ (http://casaaddams.cjb.net/) It's a list of almost all Lucasarts/Lucasfilm games ever released.
EDIT:
Oh, it doens't have the new games at all. Well, at least the "oldies" are pretty much covered.
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Check this out, http://casaaddams.cjb.net/ (http://casaaddams.cjb.net/) It's a list of almost all Lucasarts/Lucasfilm games ever released.
Hm... it doesn't list the different variations (for example it doesn't say that there is a floppy disk AND a cd version of Indy4 - it just say that there is a pc version).
EDIT: Ok... I was wrong in tha example... but there are some things missing. And it doesn't have details in what are the differences.
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I have a MI1+MI2 CD compilation, but it's not called "Monkey Island Madness", it was published by Virgin in a "White Label" edition. Probably some budget reedition.
Does MI1 have audio tracks?
Yep, it's a regular CD edition. The games run off CD and only save settings and savegames to harddisk.
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Does MI1 have audio tracks?
Yep, it's a regular CD edition.
You're not talking about audio-cd tracks, are you ? They are MIDI anyway ?!
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You're not talking about audio-cd tracks, are you ? They are MIDI anyway ?!
Nah, the CD version of Monkey Island 1 has audio CD tracks.
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You're not talking about audio-cd tracks, are you ? They are MIDI anyway ?!
Nah, the CD version of Monkey Island 1 has audio CD tracks.
:o I have to buy a new collection!
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I have to buy a new collection!
He! He! :) The MI1 CD I have was in a collection that also had Full THrottle and The Dig.... Those collections are really great.
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Hmm. *Goes to find his MI-1 CD since he doesn't remember CD Audio tracks*
BTW About the Loom update, there wouldn't happen to be something like that for those of us who own the original Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis disks would there? *Doesn't really want to pay any more after the original 55 USD for the 5 1/4 inch version on PC*
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Hmm. *Goes to find his MI-1 CD since he doesn't remember CD Audio tracks*
I don't know if it really a big need to buy monkey1 cd. It's EXACTLY the same as monkey1 vga floppy with 21-22 audio tracks. Unless ofcourse you are a collector like me :)
EDIT: Oh, I just see that you have a monkey1 cd. There where some monkey1 cd's that didn't have the audio tracks thought.
BTW About the Loom update, there wouldn't happen to be something like that for those of us who own the original Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis disks would there? *Doesn't really want to pay any more after the original 55 USD for the 5 1/4 inch version on PC*
Unfornunately no, there isn't any update for indy4 and that's because you can buy it from lucasarts (but only if you live in usa). Loom cd update exist only because you can't buy it from anywhere (there are many details in the link above). Actually the loom cd update is semi-illegal, buy since NO company has the rights for this version now it's not really a big problem.
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Ah. The answer to both parts is "that sucks".
The collectors packs were available here in Australia for a few years when I was younger, but I could never get my mother to get the one with the Indy 4 CD.
Oh and for the record, there is a game missing in the list, Lucasfilm Games in 1986 produced an Adventure game for the movie "The Labrinyth" (Good movie if you don't mind David Bowie and Muppets). Hmm, I might just follow in the footsteps of Tierra and begin doing some remakes (I have seen something recently about Lucasarts supposedly resurrecting FoA for the PS2 heaven help us).
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Ah. The answer to both parts is "that sucks".
Yeah, I know... it's stupid IMO to try to sell old games. I believe that the best approach for a company is to release their old games as freeware to the public than trying to sell 100 copies of them in a year.
Something like revolution did with "Lure of the temptress" and might do with "beneath a steel sky in the next 1-2 months.
The collectors packs were available here in Australia for a few years when I was younger, but I could never get my mother to get the one with the Indy 4 CD.
If you are really interested in buying the old games (cd versions) of LucasArts/LucasFilm games then you could try ebay. You can find almost everything there.
Oh and for the record, there is a game missing in the list, Lucasfilm Games in 1986 produced an Adventure game for the movie "The Labrinyth" (Good movie if you don't mind David Bowie and Muppets).
Hm... never heard of it. Are you sure that it was an adventure game? And the game's title was "The Labyrinth" also? Do you have it? Time for me to search for it....
Hmm, I might just follow in the footsteps of Tierra and begin doing some remakes (I have seen something recently about Lucasarts supposedly resurrecting FoA for the PS2 heaven help us).
Imo, it would be much better to create an original title and not only remake old games. I also believe that this is MUCH safer : LucasArts has shut down many amateur projects, and other companies have done the same thing many times in the past (and they will in the future too).
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I just checked LucasArts site and noticed a few things.
1)They don't sell their older games anymore (Zak McKracken, Maniac mansion etc....). They were selling those games 6 months ago.
2)You can't even find information about those old classics. It's like they never existed!!! :( That sucks.
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Another post... :)
I searched the net for "labyrinth" by Lucasarts and I have found some informations about it. It was created in 1986 by David Fox and was released for apple II and c64. I also find a great site here http://koti.mbnet.fi/~psychic/fin_games_lucasarts.html that has all (?) the boxes of lucasarts/lucasfilms games including the one from "labyrinth". BUT I didn't find anything about what kind of game it is.
EDIT: It seems that this game is really an adventure game (the first&only pre-scumm). It's easy to find the c64 version of the it... Thanks KA-su-MA-kun for sharing this information with us. :) I also edited the list I have posted.
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Something like revolution did with "Lure of the temptress" and might do with "beneath a steel sky in the next 1-2 months.
Beneath a Steel Sky is about to be released for free? That's cool, I might finally play the game :)
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hi,
about that "labyrinth" - it seems it was a game by activision and lucasgames. if you consider it for legal, you can download the c64-version (i'm sure you already have some c64 emulator like VICE) here:
http://www.c64unlimited.net/games/l/Labyrinth/Labyrinth.htm (http://www.c64unlimited.net/games/l/Labyrinth/Labyrinth.htm)
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hi,
about that "labyrinth" - it seems it was a game by activision and lucasgames. if you consider it for legal, you can download the c64-version (i'm sure you already have some c64 emulator like VICE) here:
http://www.c64unlimited.net/games/l/Labyrinth/Labyrinth.htm (http://www.c64unlimited.net/games/l/Labyrinth/Labyrinth.htm)
Thanks... but... I am playing this game now! :)
Oh, and I think that it's illegal to download it, but I consider it to be "ethical correct" to download it, so no problem with me.
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Something like revolution did with "Lure of the temptress" and might do with "beneath a steel sky in the next 1-2 months.
Beneath a Steel Sky is about to be released for free? That's cool, I might finally play the game :)
AFAIK revolution has given the sources to everyone that asked them. That's the reason why the scummvm team has the game playable till the end so fast, they had the sources :) so no need for reverse enginering! Also the scummvm team has said that revolutions is thinking of releasing the game as freeware when it's playable with scummvm with no more big bugs (the current situation). But ofcourse we have to wait for the final decision of revolution guys. I just hope that they will release the cd version...
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Yes I know what they're like. But then I never said exactly what. There is a lot you can learn from revamping older games, if you do it right though.
It's always amazed me that Tierra haven't been touched by Sierra, since if anything Sierra is more interested in maintaining a stranglehold on their products than any other company still existing.
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Yes I know what they're like. But then I never said exactly what. There is a lot you can learn from revamping older games, if you do it right though.
Ofcourse you can learn many things if you try to remake old games. I am sure that the Tierra team has learned A LOT with their hard work. But I am still prefering original & new ideas than remakes. But if you really would like to create a remake I wish you good luck and I am looking forward to see your project :)
It's always amazed me that Tierra haven't been touched by Sierra, since if anything Sierra is more interested in maintaining a stranglehold on their products than any other company still existing.
Yeah, it's a mystery to me too. Oh... and there is a company that is more hardcore than Sierra in those matters : LucasArts. They have even threaten the scummvm team ??? which is really stupid.
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Yes I know what they're like. But then I never said exactly what. There is a lot you can learn from revamping older games, if you do it right though.
Ofcourse you can learn many things if you try to remake old games. I am sure that the Tierra team has learned A LOT with their hard work. But I am still prefering original & new ideas than remakes. But if you really would like to create a remake I wish you good luck and I am looking forward to see your project :)
It's always amazed me that Tierra haven't been touched by Sierra, since if anything Sierra is more interested in maintaining a stranglehold on their products than any other company still existing.
Yeah, it's a mystery to me too. Oh... and there is a company that is more hardcore than Sierra in those matters : LucasArts. They have even threaten the scummvm team ??? which is really stupid.
Yeah I'd heard about the threats, there was a while there I thought Sierra had shut down Tierra. I managed to find a site which had the CD release of Indy 4 for download. Frankly I consider it fair to dl it since I've already bought the game once for over double what it was worth in all fairness.
Biggest problem I have with any project I want to do is tracking down someone to do what I can't. I'm at best a mediocre artist, and my music composition stinks normally (can't compose on a PC for some reason).
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Did somebody play Kyrandia?It's nice adventure game.But I don't know if this one made by Lucarts.If you didn't play it,try it now:o)It' great
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I played the first one... it's by Westwood studios btw... I remember the caves (labyrinth) being particularly troublesome... never finished it though.
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Actually there are 3 cool Kyrandia games ;D But I haven't played them till the end I am afraid (althought they are great).
There was even a try to create a new Kyrandia interpreter (http://sourceforge.net/projects/freekyra/) but AFAIK this project is dead.
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Hey and did somebody play Horke Leto?:)It's czech adventure,but if you want learn czech try it:)It's very funny game
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Sorry, never heard of it before. My language knowledge is limited to greeks & english only.
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I don't think anyone would be willing to learn czech especially because of THAT game ;)
The only thing I found interesting about that is the engine used is a first incarnation of the Black Mirror/Ron Loo engine.
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Mnemonic:Horke Leto is funny game and i love it(hral jsi ji taky?:))
But Horke Leto 2's sux.
Hey and Three Skulls of Toltects did somebody play it?that was my first adventure game and it's cool game.Try it.(Mnemonicu znas ji?:))
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Mnemonic:Horke Leto is funny game and i love it
I only played the demo. Well, I liked main hero's introductory sentence "I'm an ordinary guy. Boys call me Rambo and girls call me an asshole" ;D
Hey and Three Skulls of Toltects did somebody play it?that was my first adventure game and it's cool game.Try it.
Did't play it myself. The sequel (THe Westerner) should be coming out soon, though. In full 3D this time...
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BTW... Three skulls of Toltecs (And The Westerner as well, of course) are spanish games... ;D
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We know, we know... ;)
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Yeah.This sentence's great:)I finished it.Hey mnemonic you played Three skull of the Toltecs?I don't know it's Spanish game??Wow
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PLS CAN U HELP ME THE CD OF THE GAME OR MAYBE SENDTO ME THE SOFTWARE SO THT I CAN BE ABLE TO PLAY THE GAME OK
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Your keyboard seems to be out of order.
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Oh, and I didn't finish Grim Fandango yet, a friend is currently playing it and I didn't have the time to play it yet. Did you play it ? It already used that new MI4 engine, didn't it ? I didn't like it too much, but I guess it's not as bad as most people said when you get used to the controls.
OOOOh! OOOOOH! That is like so very hurtful to me! Ow! OW! A low blow if I ever saw one! It hurtsssss usss, it hurrrrtssss usssss!!
As far as I know, people LOVED Grim. I know I do. Tim Schafer is GOD! (http://timisgod.mixnmojo.com)
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hey does any one know where I can download sam and max and day of the tentacle ?? ??? ::rock
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Just write a mail to webmaster@bsa.org , they will provide you a download link or something like this.
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Just write a mail to webmaster@bsa.org , they will provide you a download link or something like this.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That was the BEST REPLY EVER!!!
Hope you don't mind if I quote this in other forums ;-)
Btw. I also liked the "There is something wrong with your keyboard thing". ::thumbup
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That was the BEST REPLY EVER!!!
Hope you don't mind if I quote this in other forums ;-)
No, this was an open-source posting, you can use it in whatever way you want :-)
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I don't want to be picky but you don't provide a copy of the opensource licence along with your post.
Please include one in your package or I'll mention this at the opensource.org guys and you'll be in trouble. O0 ::beer \\
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Let them come, I don't fear a bunch of consumptive communist geeks ;-)