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[TeLeStIc]

But lets talk about the issue, if anyone can be so naive and silly or if it is really one BIG conspiration advertisement :-)...!?

I've really began to think the conspiracy theory. I just can't believe that anyone (not just them) actually assumes nobody will realize such a scam. I've even persuaded myself that it's nothing more than a farce, like a marketing one...

  "We really don't see any stolen screenshots, it's really a totally original game...."

 

[Gentlemen]

But lets talk about the issue

I don't think not talking about the version is the best reaction. Making a big deal about it will certainly discourage any other people from attempting the same thing. They must have really thought they got away with it seeing as recently he was looking for more people for a sequel

It looks like they did not get away with it, and the law will handle them accordingly. I feel sorry for their families however.

[Alex ASP]

Don't think this incident will harm WME in any way. Publishers know that WME is an engine, and using any engine you can create both original an not so original games. Several original and licensed titles based on WME were created and sold here in Russia, several are in development - the engine has a good reputation.

As for "Limbo of the Lost" - I was really surprised to find out that a game published by one of our leading companies (the same that published The Elder Scrolls 4) is such a crap (though even selling crap to international partners is not something new in this world). Well, we have holidays here now and any official publisher's statement on the "LotL"-case may appear not earlier then on Monday.

[Roman Navratil]

It looks like they did not get away with it, and the law will handle them accordingly. I feel sorry for their families however.

Well i do not think, that it will harm their families, because those people live in "none-game" world probably, such as people around their families (neighbours, friends etc.), i mean that they do not care about PC games and thus will not probably be affected by this "incident". On the other hand, if the game companies, who own the assets stolen in Limbo will take some llegal actions, they will probably notice "something".

BTW, do you think, that those companies will really take some legal actions? The team and the project (Limbo) is really small and "poor" i belive. I also belive that they did not sell many copies of the Limbo the Lost, and thus the big companies would probably see only a little compensation, which might not even be worth it (talking about the need to pay the lawyers etc.) So do you think, there will be some "more serious" legal actions from these big companies?

[deps]

Another one who discovered Wintermute yesterday reporting in. I think the whole thing is hilarious! 

Wintermute looks like a nice engine, and I will give it a go when my current project is done. Got some quick ideas of restarting an old and abandoned  project and redo it as an adventure instead.

[Gentlemen]

It looks like they did not get away with it, and the law will handle them accordingly. I feel sorry for their families however.

Well i do not think, that it will harm their families, because those people live in "none-game" world probably, such as people around their families (neighbours, friends etc.), i mean that they do not care about PC games and thus will not probably be affected by this "incident". On the other hand, if the game companies, who own the assets stolen in Limbo will take some llegal actions, they will probably notice "something".

BTW, do you think, that those companies will really take some legal actions? The team and the project (Limbo) is really small and "poor" i belive. I also belive that they did not sell many copies of the Limbo the Lost, and thus the big companies would probably see only a little compensation, which might not even be worth it (talking about the need to pay the lawyers etc.) So do you think, there will be some "more serious" legal actions from these big companies?

While they may not get much out of the LotL team, lawsuits will be filed (it has been confirmed by Bethesda). I'm sure the 10+ companies stole from will indeed ensure that LotL is never distributed again, and any money made of the game will end up in their collective hands.

Game studios and publishers are very series about intellectual property, and thus protect it like rabid dogs

The reason I feel sorry for the families is law suits cost money, so they will end up pretty broke at the end of this (at least the direct family ala wife/kids).

[J. Rubbernecker]

They say there's no such thing as bad publicity... In any case he made some publicity for this forum *Mnemonic waves to those 100+ guests reading this thread*

Well, this whole mess drew me here and I've got to say I'm really impressed with the lengths the community went to to help somebody who was clearly in way over his head.  How do we nominate Mnemonic for sainthood?

One afternoon in grade school the teacher told us to sit quietly and write short stories.  Robert, front row left, raised his hand and asked how to spell once.  We were old enough that we should know, but the teacher told him after the giggling died down.  It wasn't his fault, after all.  But two minutes later he asked how to spell upon.

For fifteen minutes we all watched Robert stare at his paper and work up the courage to ask about time, and I get that same feeling again and again watching SBOVIS inch closer to the point where he'd just post his code and ask somebody else to do it.  The fact that Steve Bovis managed to demo, sell, and deliver a fully-functioning game is a real testament to WME and its community.  Really.

So congratulations to everyone who leant SBOVIS a hand; your snippets and fixes now belong to the ages.

[Roman Navratil]

The reason I feel sorry for the families is law suits cost money, so they will end up pretty broke at the end of this (at least the direct family ala wife/kids).

Well, according to the age of the developers, i think, that we can at least be quite calm and stressles about their children, because they are so old that they can raise money for themselves alone :-).

BTW i did not get the point of the topic above me, should it end up in good or bad mood for WME community :-D...?

[J. Rubbernecker]

BTW i did not get the point of the topic above me, should it end up in good or bad mood for WME community :-D...?

Good: based on the tech support alone, I'll recommend WME every chance I get. 

[Orange Brat]

The whole thing is pretty disgraceful. I hope it doesn't rub off on WME; however it appears that a few curious souls are discovering just how cool the engine is. Too bad it took something "infamous" to hook them. It's going for big bucks on eBay, now. Wow.

[atm_deev]

Indirectly, the scandal could help WME.  

[talamaska]

Hello Adventure/Rpg Fans,

first i have to say pls forgive me my bad english. This is really really sad what i read here but it showed me the way to this forum I'm really shocked what happens. I think you do outstanding work on this forum and i see it so without this ripoff i never heared about it ^^. think positiv. I just would show u some movies that will give u ur enthusiasm back (i hope)

And Steven thats for you, im so ashamed about you... pls watch the following movies they made with moviemaker and stuff is made of voluntary work of oblivion for 0 £. Just be ashamed and i hope i will never ever hear something about you. >.>
Best Oblivion mods (same game but totally different):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SX3o4Hdcp78
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rjc6soH1P40
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8aMPoqdrNwU

Thanks to Couly from youtube.com and all the modders


P.S Again its volutary work and made with movie maker THE INDIE DEVS MAKES OBLIVION TO OBLIVION AND THE "REAL" DEVS KNOWS AND LIKE IT^^
I really wont know what Steveboy stole from tes modders >.>

P.P.S Another great fan project http://youtube.com/watch?v=3mhp0NOaRXU, http://youtube.com/watch?v=CoQAQuaEFCg. without £.£

[ohiocake]

woot, posting in a legendary thread, on the most legendary gaming site .



as for steve the thieve, i cant beleive you ripped footage from Disney man lol, what a classic. I bet that the mickey mouse laywers are at least 5 times as aggresive than those of Microsoft rofl. you sir, have reached a level of fvcked that was previously thought unreachable. also, posing as a regular customer on boomers was win as well.
and finally, i have to say this, the snow effects you put on those UT 2004 maps is downright awesome.

edit: i apologize, never my intention to insult ya, its just so amazing he got away with this without anyone knowing about it.
hope to see some quality games soon from you're engine.
good luck :-)

[odnorf]

i feel real sorry how this slimebal brought shame on this community, but to be honest this dude has been asking for assistance quite a few times, surely somehow some of you must have seen some of his handy work when in beta stage?

Your assumptions are wrong and to be honest insulting. We helped him with scripting questions (step by step many times) but we were never part of the beta testing and he was very secretive about his game so he never posted screenshots (now we know why). So no, this hasn't brought any shame on us but to himself only.

[space boy]

I'd just like to remind you about BURDEN OF PROOF. If you come here and assume that respected people are being dishonest about a quite serious matter you better have some evidence. I'd be really pissed if the reputation of the WME crowd took damage because of people spreading unverified bullshit like its a proven fact(which is already being done in certain places).